the he's expect today testify about the 9/11 murders of our u.s. ambassador to libya, chris stevens and three other americans and thursday, the vice-presidential debate takes place in danville, kentucky at 9 p.m. eastern. watch it right here on fox. that's how we report on this sunday. huckabee, give me three. have a great week. >> tonight on huckabee. >> if you'll he vote for me, then i promise i'll fight just as hard in a second term. >> the president failed to convince undecided voters during the first debate. will his attack ads do any better? frank luntz takes america's pulse. >> you put 90 billion dollars, 50 year's worth of breaks into solyndra, fisker and tesla. and can governor romney keep president obama on the ropes during the second debate? front and center at the mid

term election. where is the tea party in this year's race. >> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [applause]. [applause]. >> . >> mike: thank you, thank you very much. what a great audience we've got here in the studio and welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. all right, the biggest story this week in politics was the first presidential debate in denver. the first view, even among the staunchest obama supporters was that romney won the debate convincingly and one left of center commentator four years ago had a tingle up his leg hearing obama speak. waste in a such a meltdown over the poor performance this time he had a tingle run down his leg because he wet his pants. (laughter) >> and some of the excuses to try to explain the president not being much better than the empty chair that clint'swood revealed to us were simply

bizarre. al gore thought it was the altitude of denver. i think the former vice-president may have been a little high. but the most ridiculous excuse of all was offered by yet another left wing obama, on another network and this guy with a straight face suggested that obama didn't debate well because he was black. what? you mean after getting elected president of the united states, and serving almost four years, barack obama suddenly walked out on the stage and said, oh, my gosh, i'm black, i can't take on this white guy. look, whether in sports, music, acting or politics, some days you just don't have a the juice, but we squeezed out what we could from the debate and i'll offer my humble, but absolutely accurate assessment of the event. first of all, here is mitt romney countering what the obama campaign is saying about his tax proposal. >> i've got five boys, i'm used to people saying something that's not always

true, but keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. >> let me just say this was a brilliant rhetorical device on the part of mitt romney for a couple of reasons, first of all, by invoking the story of his sons, it really brought a sense of connection to mitt romney as a father. he's raised kids. he is more like us at least in that regard. countering one of the great criticisms of mitt romney that he doesn't understand the rest of people. that showed a connection. the fact that his boys had told him, let's just say funny business like everybody does to their parents, that, too, said, yeah, it must be pretty normal after all at the romney house, but then the subtle device was this, he was actually saying, you know, it doesn't matter whether you're my sons in my house or whether you're president, if you keep telling me something that's not true over and over, i'm not so crazy as to believe it. it was a powerful moment and yet, he did it within a way that everybody could smile and

not even realize what a powerful hit he had. and mitt romney also responded to obama's criticism that some corporate tax breaks would send jobs overseas. >> the second topic, which you said you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas, look i've been in business for 25 years, i have no idea what you're talking about, i maybe need a new accountant. the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case. >> a great line and i've been in the business 25 years, translation, you haven't been. and i understand what business is all about, translation, you don't. i need a new accountant, translation, we need a new president. it was a brilliant line. i don't know if that was all planned or spontaneous, either way, it really connected. and great moment for him. now, here is president obama hitting romney for not giving some specifics. >> he says that he's going to replace dodd frank, wall

street reform, but we don't know exactly which ones. he won't tell us, he now says's going to replace obamacare and assure all the good things in it are going to be in there and you don't have to worry. and at some point, i think, the american people have to ask themselves is the reason that governor romney is keeping all of these plans to replace secret because they're too good? >> objectiokay, a great line by president obama, it was about ten past the hour in the second hour of the debate. and i was remembering as i was keeping a flow sheet of the debate parking and saying this was the first really good moment that i thought the president had had all night. and i marked it as saying, this is the first time he's really left a mark on mitt romney. now, it wasn't a knockout blow or anything like that, not a knockdown, a moment when he was able to say something that showed that he was actually in denver for the debate because

up until that moment, i'm not sure if he was pre-celebrating his anniversary, i don't know. but he had not tuned into the same debate that 67 million other people had tuned into. now, here is president obama touting what he's done for education. >> we've got a program called race to the top that has prompted reforms in 46 states around the country, raising standards, improving how we train teachers so now i want to hire another 100,000 new math and science teachers and create 2 million more slots in our community colleges so that people can get trained for the jobs that are out there right now. and i want to make sure that we keep tuition low for our young people. >> mike: and i want to make sure that everybody's christmas stocking is filled with everything they've wanted when it comes christmas time. one little problem about what he's saying, not about race to the top. it's not a bad program, pied emphasis and i commend arnie duncan for at least saying we ought to reward people who are

doing well. it's different in the economy where we punish people who are doing well. i wish the president's education policies are based on that premise, clearly they're not. when he talks about, we need to put 100,000 new teachers in the classroom, i just asked myself. when is it the responsibility the federal government to go hire teachers for a local school board. your schools are your responsibility in your community. and in your state. and there's not one thing in the federal government constitution that says that the federal government ought to hire teachers for you, if you think you need more teachers, then you ought to hire them at your local level and let your school board decide who they are and what they teach. it wasn't just-- (applause) >> what the candidates said by the way that made the difference, i think it was their body language that spoke volumes. you're watching the split scene and see the difference. when mitt romney spoke to the president, he spoke to the president, looked at him.

unfortunately the president never looked back and as you can see, through most of the debate, people who watched it, i think, were stunned to see the president seemingly unable, unwilling to even look at his opponent, mitt romney. he looked down, he looked around, i think he was look for the exit. i'm pretty sure that's what he was looking for, and praying that what he was looking at below, is this a trap door somewhere down there. because he could have used it. anyway, quite a moment. well, romney set the bar pretty high for the second debate, but can he stay on top in their next face-off? joining me now is former communications director for michele bachmann's complain. and for rudy guiliani, george. minges, and jake, were you at the debate. were you back in the spin room. what was different in person than what we saw on tv.

>> well, i think i think that it was an absolute knockout punch and actually what i saw on television, what we saw live i thought was the same thing and shocked anybody could have come away from that debate with any other opinion, it was a knockout and i think what we saw when you removed the teleprompters and removed a panel of liberal press that can back up the president he's lost. the emporer has no clothes. and i thought that was very apparent, whether you were in the audience or watching on television. >> i think that's true. i think he could certainly learn a less sop. you people don't realize what you said now, you're not using that teleprompter, you're speaking from your heart and based on fact. >> mike: that's why i mess up a lot. >> that's not true. he didn't have the basic knowledge, didn't have the facts to back up. he was unable to defend his record, on defense the entear time and a sense of him walking in there i'm the leader of the freeway world and i don't need to with a waste my time here, the as a matter of fact of the matter is as a presidential candidate that's a level playing field.

he and mitt romney are two men, face-to-face debating the issues and he felt as though he was too good for that. looking away, writing notes and thought of his poll numbers dropping back stage. he clearly felt he was too good to be there, but the fact is he demonstrated he can't defend his record and mitt romney showed not only is he a good leader and has executive experience and able to show the president that he has leadership ability, he's likeable, too, and able to show that. >> and there was no passion, governor when he's talking about the economy, the president has no passion, he doesn't understand what he's talking about and he doesn't believe it and saw mitt romney for the first time, a guy who is understands the economy, he looked presidential and people saw for the first time not through the lens of the negative obama tag machine here is a guy ready to lead our countries. >> mike: let me get michael in. you're a speech writer and written for a president. how does mitt romney take this great moment and make sthat he next debate? the expectation are going to

be sky high on him and poor or low for obama. >> when you take the hill you've got to hold the hill. we've got a preview from president obama what the attack is looking at. that romney is lying in other words, to cover a radical agenda and i think, you know, romney is going to have to responsibled patiently and substantively and turn it to a more aggressive side against obama's record and values. and i think the man who showed up in denver can do that. president obama will be better in the next debate. he could hardly be worse. so, i-- (laughter) >> , but (applause) >> that's like saying the mets mets are going to have a better season, michael. the manner in which he failed in that debate by being passive, dictates thats' going to have to be aggressive and that presents a challenge for the the president. because when he's on the offensive, he often seems

petulant. he has a tendency not just to criticize, but to mock. and i don't think that comes across particularly well on television, so, it's possible that he will overshift, overreact in this case, and do something that would be destructive. >> you have been back stage after one of the debates with me and with michele bachmann and rick santorum and one of these days with a winner. >> will be with you. >> mike: thank you, but seriously, you've been back stage after the debates when we've had great moments and candidates had bad moments. talk about what it's like bag stage when obama walks off that stage and his handlers are trying to be polite, but nothing nice to say. >> obviously, just the mere fact they didn't rush him to the spin room and try to say, great job by the president. they were back stage figuring out what they were going to say in terms of spinning it and showing that romney was lying and the truth is his problem all along he surrounds himself with a bunch of yes people that go along with exactly what he says and not people that will tell him what

he needs to hear and this is what you have to say to defend your record and this is what you have to to in order to show people that you have a better plan for the future. as opposed to what they do is, they spent the whole time after the debate showing that romney was factually incorrect which was not true and instead of talking about what he said during the debate. before the debate. talked about here is what you need to say in the debate and arm choir quarterbacking-- >> very ill prepared clearly. and this week, paul ryan and joe biden will be squaring off. don't sell joe biden short. and the panel stays with us, we'll be right back. i'd love to hear from you, go to my website, mike huckabee.con and the feedback session or twitter. find me at mikehuckabee.com. gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway...

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he's not a subtle man, and he-- he never, never uses a hammer when a sledgehammer is available and i don't know how that plays against a guy, a very nice guy who looks like he's a boy scout. a 14-year-old boy scout, but we'll see. i agree with you though on biden. this is a man that's run for president and been in the senate for decades. he knows how to debate and he has a rare ability in politics, he can be human in public. he's actually a deeply likeable man and i would not underestimate that importance on television. >> and that's what i'm thinking is that he does have that capacity to sort of sound like the guy that you would sit around and watch tv with. >> jake, describe what you're thinking we're going to see thursday. >> i think we're going to see a contest between the wonk and the whacko. couldn't you be more subtle? >> i think the vice-president can't go through a day without putting his foot in his mouth and i think the contrast is going be to be very clear.

paul ryan is an energetic, smart, articulate guy that exudes youth and, but has command of the facts and he knows the budget and he understands the economy, and i think, i think he is going to do extremely well and we're going to see almost an epete of the presidential debate do you think that paul ryan can be too wonkish? he can go deep in the weeds with policy and debate is not a place where you want to lull people into a deep thoughtful discussion. is that a danger for paul ryan? >> i think the -- the team, romney team is smart enough, they understand his strengths or weaknesses if there are any, but he's a book worm and knows the numbers, but at the same time so much attention as we know has been paid to biden's gaffes and the middle class, and raise taxes and we can't underestimate the fact

that he's very strong and can relate to the people and resonate with the audience there and he will be able to engage in a good debate, but i believe that ryan knows that he's a book worm and he's smart, but also understands he has to be strong, but personable in that debalt and that's exactly what romney did, too, he was factual, but personable and i think that's the way that ryan will approach this debate. >> mike: i'll give you 30 seconds, that's all the time we have. i'd give you more if i had it. michael, if you thought there's one big issue we'll he see out of this vice-presidential debate that could be the important issue, the pick the issue, pick the candidate and who you think has the advantage? >> well, i think we might see some foreign policy and libya is the clear vulnerability for the president. now, the administration did not protect our people and then tried to spin its way out of failure, so, i think could you see some of that, romney has a speech on monday on foreign policy and i think that ryan could follow-up on some of those themes.

>> okay, jake? >> i absolutely agree. i think it's libya, we've got congressional hearings coming out next week, the governor has a speech at the virginia military institute on monday and i think there's going to be a lot of foreign policy and a lot of things that come out between now and the debate on libya and the coverup and what's been going on there. >> okay, alice? >> i agree. while the economy is the ryan's strength i think that foreign policy is going to take center space during the the speech on monday, but it's critical he's able to point out the fact that the obama administration believes that strength is a vulnerability as opposed to weakness. i think that he needs to point that out and that we can achieve peace through strength and everything that's happened after libya as a result, the inability to come to truth. this was a terror attack and those are things that ryan needs to highlight and that's going to resonate with the people. >> it's going to be a fascinating debate and we'll of course be analyzing and watching and nit-picking, but we've called it analyzing.

i think that paul ryan is going to have a great night because he always does and never seen him flop. and i'm going to say it again, the pressure is on it, the cleanup hitter struck out in denver and now, joe biden goes to the plate and he's got to salvage the team and i think he'll surprise some people and much more prepared, we shall see and tell you what happened next week. thank you very much, alice, and jake and michael to have you here. the president's campaign trying to make up for his debate debacle fighting back with attack ads. now, will they do a better job than he did? frank luntz will tell us when we come back. everyone has goals. take the steps to reach yours, with us with real advice, for real goals. the us bank wealth management advisor can help you. every step of the way. from big steps, to little steps. since 1863 we've helped guide our clients,

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that the president has for his performance in the debate, the most has come for his failure to mention mitt romney's 47% comments that were caught on tape. the obama reelection campaign has been that they've been addressing that issue in political ads. is it going to work with voters? joining us now is frank luntz. good to have you here, thank you for joining us. [applause] >> governor, i want to introduce this first and set the context and viewers at home the higher you see the red line, the more persuasive it is among weak republicans and the higher the green line pervasive for good. 50 it's good. 70 is great a look at the mitt romney ad, first. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck. trying to make falling incomes meet rising prices for food and gas. more americans are living in

poverty than when president obama took office and 15 million more are on food stamps. president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. [applause] >> frank, analyze the ad, how did it resonate with those voters? >> well, the key at the beginning of the ad he brought both republicans and democrats along, talking about the importance of jobs and how the last four years have been. and the weak republican line, it actually goes beyond the screen how positive it is. the key in the democrats, simple word, jobs, which candidate has a better policy on jobs, and every time the mitt romney talked about it in the debates or in this ad, you saw that democratic line rose, for mitt romney, the next 30

days has to been why the barack obama four-year legacy is one of failure on creating jobs and why governor romney's approach is more positive. that's what he needs to do to be success on on election day. >> and the obama people have come back with a response and take a look at it and tell us what you found from it. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. >> i like being able to fire people. >> too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck. >> i tell you what-- $10,000 bucks? >> president obama and i both care about poor middle class families. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> the difference is, my policies will make things better for them. >> it's not too worry about those-- and responsibility-- >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> okay, frank, tell us what that tells us.

>> it tells us that the negative ad actually does work. the one, using mitt romney's actual words against him. and number two, they showed the contrast, you see romney's assertion and then a response. and number three, it's measured, that there's no announcing, there's no angering music behind the voices, it's a very effective ad. and that 47%, that number is the reason why romney's numbers fell three or four points before this first debate. and we've tested over 1500 ads in this election cycle. that would be one of the most effective negative ads so far. >> mike: all right. we're limited on time and cut to the virginia senate race because they're very intense race, could have an impact on the presidential race, tim cane, george allen. it's look at a tim cane ad and analyze it for us. >> i don't agree with any president all the time, but i know when our nation succeeds,

virginia succeeds. as governor i worked with the bush administration to build rils to dollars and with the obama administration to stop an aircraft carrier from moving out of virginia. , and i approve this message because washington needs more cartners and fewer partisans. as your senator, i'll partner with whoever is president of the united states. >> mike: i love the line, more partners-- >> how did that rate. >> one of the most effective in the senate campaign, he's appealing to the center. recognize those in your audience and the viewers at home. they want to see more red meat. the fact is you win or lose this election by whether you can capture the people in the center and that ad does just that. >> mike: let's take a look at his opponent's ad, george allen, an issue, very emotional and powerful. >> the hum-vee he was riding in had driven over a roadside bomb and jason and two other

young marines were killed and following jason's death we received an outpouring of love and support and one of the letters we received from george allen. what made it different, it was a handwritten note parent to parent. i was able to attend the speech he was given and i was so moved that... i handed them, and he still has those dog tags to this day. >> i'm george allen and i aperfect this message. >> mike: okay, frank, that gets to me, i don't live in virginia. tell me how the voters viewed it. >> they viewed it so emotionally two women in the special that watched that and that brought them to tears and makes me moved right now, because how they reacted to it, mother to mother. the campaign is going be to be determined by that emotional type of communication, and that ad is perfection, governor, it's really perfection. >> mike: and you know, very, very fast stacinating to get th

interesting positive ads are seeming to be working in the virginia ads. frank, thanks for being here, always a pleasure. it's been a while since vice-president joe biden put his foot in his mouth, but joe is at it again. coming up joe's latest gaffes in our quotes of the week. [applause]. ♪ lord, you got no reason ♪ you got no right ♪ ♪ i find myself at the wrong place ♪ [ male announcer ] the ram 1500 express. ♪ it says a lot about you. ♪ in a deep, hemi-rumble sort of way. guts. glory. ram.

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úwñoa [laughing] [message beep] [tires screeching] >> live from america's news headquarters. i'm harris falkner. the centers for disease control a new jump in the meningitis outbreak, now, 91 people very ill in nine states. we know at least seven people have died in this. the massachusetts pharmacy that distributed the steroid injections lead to the outbreak, now pulling its products off the market. health officials say the drug is mainly used to treat patients with back pain. thousands of people marching

in the cities across spain angry over the austerity measures and the cuts will increase unemployment and by the way, the jobless rate in spain 25%. and trade union leaders are calling the marches a warning to the government and tempers are rising in a general strike across that country could happen next month. i'm harris falkner, now back to huckabee, foxnews.com, you're watching the most powerful name in news, you know it, fox news channel. if you'd like to comment on tonight's show, he e-mail us at huck mail@foxnews.com. >> i think you know that there were many great lines from when the first presidential debates. but the debate wasn't the only source of notable and quotable comments this past week, vice-president joe biden never disappoints in coming up with some great lines and here are a couple to kick off this week's he digs of quotes of the week. >> this is deadly earnest, how

they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes in the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> you know, the phrase they always use, obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do in one regard, we want to let that trillion dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bare the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy. that's not a tax raise, that's called fairness where i come from. >> mike: i don't know where you come from. i thought it was delaware, but where i come from, it's still sock in the gut, taxes, joe. and a couple of thoughts there. you know, there was a movie a few years ago, warren beatty, "bullworth." he was a politician that toll the unvarnished truth and spit

it out. it was the funniest movie and you can't imagine anybody going and telling. joe biden is joe "bullworth" and he goes out there and says the middle class have been married for four years, yes, they have. and then he says that, you know, people are saying we're going to raise a trillion dollar in taxes, yes, we are. okay. we get it, thank you very much for your candor and your honesty. and pretty much doggone accurate and i think it's indicative of a fact that this is why i like joe biden. he says what the rest of us already know. even if he doesn't intend to do it. lau laugh, there's a video of candidate barack obama a version of a speech in 2007 when some of his controversial comments weren't made all that public. here is what he said then. >> when 9/11 happened in new york city, they waived the stafford act and said this is

too serious a problem. we can't expect new york city to rebuild on its own, forget that, that dollar you put in, here is $10 and now it's the right thing to do. when hurricane andrew struck in florida, people said, look at this devastation. we don't expect you to come up with the your own money, here, here is the money to rebuild we're not going to wait for you to scratch it together because you're part of the american family. what's happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where is your stafford act money? money? >> okay being look, now what for me that's amazing, this guy born in hawaii and part of his years in indonesia and educated at occidental, harvard, columbia and then he goes to virginia and suddenly he's found his southern voice. he's talking southern for us.

now mr. president, with all due respect, nice effort, but if you're going to go to the south and try to put on your best southern accent, you need some coaching from someone who knows how to do it, so when you say where's our dollar, where is your dollar. >> dollar makes the honey boo boo. >> that's right, a dolla makes me holla, honey boo boo. that's how do you it, mr. president, that's how it's done. (applause) >> speaking of the stafford act, the interesting thing about the whole speech, when the stafford act was put together it did require some pay in. now, there was an attempt in the united states senate to relieve all of those areas affected by katrina on the

senate floor. and relieve them from having to pay their dollar, or dolla and 14 senators voted against that in the original bill guess who one of them was, senator barack obama voted against it. now he later voted against it for it so i guess he was against it before he was for it. that's the problem with things like that, because you have a voting record. let's look at the newest attack ad against mitt romney. >> my name is richard hane and i pick up mitt romney's trash, residents do come out and shake our hands and sometimes give us hugs and you know, the service we provide. i'm 55, 65 years old my body will care about that, and romney doesn't care about that. >> of all the ridiculous political ads i've seen in my life i think this maybe ranks at the top. mitt romney doesn't deserve to be president because he doesn't give his trashman a hug, because more than anything else, that's what i want in a president, one who

hugs the trashman. first of all, let me say, people who pick up trash do a good and important job and they work very, very hard, a job most of us won't want to do. but it doesn't mean that it's typical that we go out and hug them. i mean, seriously, have you ever gone out and hugged your trashman? okay, you can't be president either. that settles it. (laughter) >> i'm waiting to see some video of president obama come out of the white house on tuesday when the trash truck comes by, hold it, hold it, i haven't hugged you yet. look, folks, we-- we appreciate your trashman, but we don't hug him. he may be wearing our neighbor's dinner from last night, still on-- i don't think that's something we do. it is ridiculous and frankly demeaning ad. surely they can do better. well, tkts attacking mitt romney, mitt romney the mormon. why is his faith now fair game in the political mud slinging? idaho congressman and fellow

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each day hear >> each weekday here my commentary on the radio show, details at mikehuckabee.com. >> democrats in the mainstream media have been making mitt romney's faith is issue in the race. the best example last week from harry reid who, like governor romney, is a mormon and he he's come to go a state where there's a lot of members of the lds church and they understand he's not the face of mormonism, end quote. i wonder, does harry think he is? my question, why is the republican nominee's faith such a sore topic with his opposition? joining me is idaho congressman raul labrador also a mormon and i think he's at his son's football game, is that right, congressman? >> that's what we mormons do on a saturday morning, watch

our kids play football. >> you're a congressman in the middle of a reelection campaign. i want to say i admire the fact that you have your priorities straight with your son at his football game and we need more in politics there's more to life than politics, god bless you for that. [applause] >> i want to talk to you about, to me, ridiculous attacks on mitt romney and his faith, from no less than harry reid who is a member of the same church. does this surprise you, congressman? and how do you, as a fellow mormon, respond to that? >> you know, it's-- harry reid says a the lot of strange things and almost has no shame. i grew up in las vegas and i actually know his family and it sometimes surprises me he his reputation many years ago when i lived in las vegas he was a moderate democrat who could work with both sides of the aisle. once he became a member of leadership and all of a sudden he almost lost all sense of reason and all of his shame

and last week they had to draw back one of his statements from his senatorial office because the statement is that he put out was false. it was demonstrably false. everything that he says, he has nothing to back it up. and now, he tries to put down mitt romney's faith, which i just don't really understand why he's doing that. >> mike: congressman, if hopens get into mitt romney's faith and where he goes to church, does not that open the door for us to go back and revisit reverend jeremiah wright and all of the aspects of president obama's faith? >> you know, in my opinion, i don't think so. i think we've litigated that issue, we know where barack obama was for 20 years at church. he keeps hiding what he was, but the born thing is that mitt romney actually has policies that are going to be better for america than barack obama. barack obama has a record of four years of failure. mitt romney has a lifetime of

success. and i think that's what this election is going to be about. and i think it's totally inappropriate for harry reid or any other person in the democratic party to bring up mitt romney's faith. and i don't think we should play that game on our side. >> mike: well, let me say congressman, you look pretty normal to me. two of my very favorite public servants in the world, michael leavitt, a dear, dear friend of mine for many, many years, we were governors together and orrin hatch i think one of the most respectable and truly statesman-like senators in the entire united states senate and both are members of the lds church. nothing in any of their careers over several decades that should give anyone any concern as to whether anyone of the lds church is capable of serving in the church and doing it with integrity and honor. does that help as a great platform if people are worried about mitt romney, to see the people who have served in public offers and there are quite a few of them, who

served with honor and distinction, integrity and great competence? >> i think so. i think there's a long list of public servants who are of the lds faith. unfortunately, we also have harry reid, which is sometimes a drag for us. (laughter) >> other than him, i think we have a long list of very honest and men full of integrity. men and women full of integrity. >> mike: we appreciate you very much your joining us from idaho. [applaus [applause] >> well, the tea party had a huge impact on the mid term elections. i wonder if it can have the same effect on this year's election. and the tea party of dennis, will tell us when we come back. a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions...

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(applause) >> the tea party made a lot of noise ahead of a 2010 mitt term he elections and they were the difference in handing the house to the republicans. but we haven't heard a lot from the tea party this election cycle. but where is the tea party? joining me phil dennis, founder of the dallas tea party. welcome back to the show. great to have you, bill. >> (applause). >> mike: it seems like the tea party has been a little quieter than it was in 2010 when all of those town hall meetings erupted with people who were letting their congressmen know they didn't like obamacare and didn't like the deficit and the debt. has the tea party diminished, gone quiet underground or disappeared? >> what we've been doing is working from being enraged in 2009 when the tea party started to being actively engaged and taken, basically political novices, most the people in the tea parties and members around the countriment

now around 41 million that support the tea party principles are people that work, take care of their kids and go to the football games like we saw with the congressman in idaho, and not people who spent a great deal of time in politics and haven't had time in the past and that's changed now and turned those political know novices into fully engaged and fully functioning political activists in the field. >> mike: it's pretty typical in any spontaneous movement, which the tea party was, there becomes a paint they become to assimilate into the institutions that they first railed against and seek to change and become part of the change. is that part of what we're seeing in the tea party, they're getting in the county committees and becoming members of congress and therefore, becoming part of the institution? >> certainly, we are trying to change the institution, that's been our purpose since the very beginning was to, is to put people into office and leaders that would represent some type of fiscal responsibility. what's happened with our country from a fiscal standpoint has been insane.

so, we are putting people into office. the tea party is nonpartisan and we don't endorse candidates and don't cater to either party, but as for, you can ask a lot of, like arlan spector or senator luger in indiana, has the tea party gone away? they will he' tell you, no, the tea party is basically they all lost their races. >> mike: they were, i think, early on, a lot of concerns tea party people weren't that warm in mitt romney. has that changed? >> yeah, i think we're seeing more and more of the governor at this point. what's happened we realized that we've fought hard for the candidates and supported in the primary what we're supposed to doen coalesce and come together for our can candidate or the candidate that represents the most fiscal sanity in the general election. i think we're seeing more and more people realize that romney is light years ahead of barack obama even with what other faults some of us may thing he has. >> are we going to see a tea

party around in four, five, six years? >> absolutely, i'm not sure the tea party name will be there. we're seeing more and more people come into the tea party movement. losing their jobs, and their friends are losing their jobs. people who have not paid attention to politics in the past. i was with you guys, and they knew the era and batting average of every texas ranger. >> mike: that's pretty important. >> i asked him can any of you name your congressman? they couldn't. the guy said, i don't care about politics. well, politics cares about you. and we're about to get hit with the biggest tax increase in history in january, unless something is going to be done. and what we're trying to do is turn off dancing with the stars and so forth and pay attention what's going on with your local leaders and state and federal leaders. >> mike: you mean no more honey boo-boo? phil, great to have you here. i can't believe that somebody might think that who is the next president is more important than the next

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